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Cho'rush The Observer able to cast with no mana #8327

Chaelsonenn reported

Describe the Issue:
Chorush can continue to cast power power shield with 0 mana.
How to reproduce:

Take away all of cho'rush's mana and he'll continue to cast How is it supposed to work:
Power Word: Shield should cost mana
Character the bug occurred on:
Chaelsonenn

  • Turtreynolds commented 6 months ago Sun, Dec 15, 2024 4:51 PM
    Turtle Wow Staff

    Cho'rush in priest mode uses https://database.turtle-wow.org/?spell=17139 which costs 110 mana, this is correct. NPCs do now have proper stats as of a recent change, before, they lacked all of their spirit coefficient in mana regen. This is intended.



    What doesn't seem to be correct is that this shield seems to absorb around 600 damage, when the tooltip on the DB says a little under 300.

  • Kantrul commented 6 months ago Sun, Dec 15, 2024 6:06 PM

    Comenting here since the other report was closed.



    From classic wow (2020): https://youtu.be/hA8eMj8KwzY?t=1508
    Here it shows how the hunter drains the mana of Cho'Rush throught the fight until he is oom at minute 26:52.



    After last patch, the mana regeneration of Cho'Rush is so high that it is impossible to drain his mana to 0.

  • Trueshot commented 6 months ago Sun, Dec 15, 2024 6:45 PM

    So since my Ticket got closed for no reason because its a complete different topic ill post it here again:



    Cho'Rush the Observer endless mana intended? #10594
    Describe the Issue:
    Cho'Rush the Observer as the Shaman has unlimited mana and constantly heals the boss King Gordok at 50% hp. Not even with Vipersting you can drain his mana. For some reason his Mana regeneration rate must have been touched in the latest patch of 1am 15.12.2024 german time.
    How to reproduce:
    Try killing the Boss.
    How is it supposed to work:
    Normaly Cho'Rush the Observer should be Mana drainable.
    Character the bug occurred on:



    Trueshot



    Proof:



    So here is proof of the Shaman Cho'Rush the Observer losing mana and also going to be oom at some point (this is his mana while boss is not yet getting healed because he is not at 50% hp):
    https://youtu.be/hA8eMj8KwzY?t=1429



    Look at my attempt where he does not go out of mana at all at the beginning!!!



    Here is the Priest losing mana:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA8eMj8KwzY&t=1524s



    And here is proof of me trying to drain him but he regenerates so much it is not possible even with baiting casts or his heals (boss will literaly stay at 50%+ hp the entire time):
    Beginning of the fight and trying to drain his mana:
    https://youtu.be/csFGtwtUlPM?t=628



    50% mark of the fight where he starts healing and still gaining enough mana to not get drained enough:
    https://youtu.be/csFGtwtUlPM?t=882



    And here how it was before patch when I did it (which felt like how it was in classic):
    https://youtu.be/W-sCA6Q4W8I?t=3427

  • Turtreynolds commented 5 months ago Fri, Dec 20, 2024 7:04 AM
    Turtle Wow Staff

    None of these videos from Classic show a tick of his mana regen, only the down-ticks while under Viper sting. We like you, want this mob to behave exactly blizzlike. There is no room for guessing here. Please provide exact proof.

  • Memorabilia commented 5 months ago Fri, Dec 20, 2024 8:05 AM

    I believe in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyBAC0Z0aAs&t=1188s you see Cho Rush's mana tick naturally on a classic server. Pay attention at about 20:10-20:25, character has Cho targetted and cho is regenning mana upwards without viper sting on him. Numbers are very different from current turtle wow balancing.

  • Kantrul commented 5 months ago Sat, Dec 21, 2024 12:12 PM

    https://youtu.be/WyBAC0Z0aAs?t=1041
    At minute 17:21-17:23 you can see the mob regens 118 mana (from 4420 to 4538) and he regens mana every 4 seconds.

  • Saggysack commented 5 months ago Sun, Dec 22, 2024 11:20 PM

    18:10 - Cho'Rush gains 118 mana, taking him to 2961(31%). This happens before viper sting is applied.
    20:00 - Cho'Rush has a mana regen tick taking him from 169(2%) to 287(3%). He has no viper sting debuff at this time.
    20:21 - Cho'Rush mana regen tick takes him back to 118 mana, there is no viper sting debuff.



    each time he is getting 118 mana

  • Saggysack commented 5 months ago Mon, Dec 23, 2024 1:15 AM

    Just to clarify, the above time-stamps are for the video Kantrul posted above:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyBAC0Z0aAs&t=1041s

  • Kharme commented 5 months ago Mon, Dec 23, 2024 8:51 AM

    The video above actually proves that the mob can at least be drained down to empty while the lot of the linked reports were closed claiming the endless mana is the way it should work.

  • Trueshot commented 5 months ago Sun, Jan 5, 2025 7:24 PM

    How can I escelate this ticket?

  • Odwalla commented 5 months ago Tue, Jan 7, 2025 7:54 PM

    Can confirm this is currently broken. Shaman and Priest Cho currently make the fight unkillable. This is NOT blizzlike as I've done this fight many times on retail classic and other 1.12.1 private servers.

  • Kantrul commented 5 months ago Wed, Jan 15, 2025 10:13 AM

    Is this being worked on? Issue has been reported for more than 5 weeks now

  • Ayman commented 4 months ago Thu, Jan 23, 2025 10:21 AM

    please fix this, this was my only farming spot.

  • Trueshot commented 4 months ago Wed, Jan 29, 2025 1:30 AM

    So I don't know if something has been changed with the patch from today 29.01.2025. But I'm just saying that the priest for example just healed the Boss from 30% back to 70% with 300 mana left in his mana pool.

  • Sephs commented 4 months ago Fri, Feb 14, 2025 7:59 PM

    Any updates on this, new player with alot of previous experience in DM runs in retail server. This mana bug on casters and power word shield make these runs miserable... Removing one of the core hunter farms from the game.

  • Shumsyy commented 4 months ago Sat, Feb 15, 2025 5:40 PM

    I just digned 60, and these runs are essentially impossible as a hunter (the only thing that's doable is the fire mage variant) simply due to the mana regen of cho'rush being so high, you can use distracting shot to counteract the shield not applying any threat, which i never had to do in retail classic, whatever you guys did with mana regen on mobs... its wrong, their regen is too high, viper sting barely puts a dent in their mana pool with how fast it regens, and you should easily be able to keep this mob on 0% mana in retail.

  • Tukhun commented 3 months ago Wed, Mar 5, 2025 3:37 PM

    I started twow and a hunter ONLY to do this farm. Its the most fun I ve had while playing wow and I wanted to try it with the cool changes Turtle has implemented. The mana regeneration on Cho Rush is so overtuned that it makes it nearly impossible. Im so sad to think I might have invested all these hours to then not be able to play the part of the game I love the most.



    Is this still being worked on?

  • Znacka commented 3 months ago Wed, Mar 12, 2025 3:11 PM

    I also have to add a comment to this issue. I've done this solo run milion times on my hunters in the past, It was always the n1 farming experience and kinda the only one hunters got. Here on Turtle after the changes it's impossible. Mana regen of Cho Rush is higher than mana drain of Viper Sting. Please fix this so we can enjoy the game.

  • Menelau commented 3 months ago Fri, Mar 14, 2025 10:50 PM

    Don t know when you guys figured this bugged but i opened ticket 4 months ago and i did a DMT TRIBUTE 2 days ago and still bugged,Cho have insane mana pool and mana regen.
    It is a good farm for hunters and not only,there are few items that are pre raid bis there for hunters.....can devs fix this?thank you.

  • Beerwat commented 2 months ago Sun, Mar 23, 2025 5:58 PM

    Any news on this bug ? Last dev comment is from 3 months ago and the bug is still present. If Chorush has healing touch the boss is unkillable. How come ?

  • Znacka commented 2 months ago Thu, Mar 27, 2025 4:03 PM

    I don't know what we have to do to get someone's attention. Does it make sense to open another ticket? We are being ignored for a long time and this problem needs to be fixed.

  • Sheciil commented 1 month ago Thu, Apr 24, 2025 7:03 PM

    Welp, it's undoable in a state how it is. I only wanted to get rings.

  • Pixies commented 1 month ago Sun, Apr 27, 2025 7:08 AM

    it's like devs never did a single tribute run in their lives and dont understand how much mana regen breaks it for all the hunters. tribute runs are very blizzlike and were doable on every private server/blizzard iteration of wow classic until that spirit change, what a surprise -_-

  • Pixies commented 1 month ago Sun, Apr 27, 2025 7:20 AM

    and this is a very weird reasoning: npcs lacked spirit coefficient in vanilla wow for all those years until NOW, because WE FIXED it and now it works «correctly» and its suddenly «blizzlike» now. nope, its not. it wasnt like that during all those iterations of vanilla wow including wow classic and all private servers. it was kept the way it was EVEN in wow classic. you just have no right to claim its blizzlike, even if you imply it was SUPPOSED to be working like that many many years before. you cant call it a bug, because its a feature now.

  • Znacka commented 1 month ago Mon, Apr 28, 2025 6:50 AM

    Exactly, it feels like they don't understand the problem. "Please provide exact proof". My proof is, that I've done this run hundreds of times even on Turtle and this "intentional" rework just makes it unkillable. Please, look how many hunters see this as a major problem and complain here. We need this fixed.



    Btw I opened another report to get someone's attention. It was immediately marked as duplicated issue and closed.

  • Udderbudder commented 1 month ago Tue, Apr 29, 2025 11:29 PM

    It just doesn't make any sense to me that they would make mob mana regen un-blizzlike and then stay silent on something like this for months. Might as well give mobs castbar pushback as well.



    Can we at least get an answer on whether or not the mana regen change can/will be reverted for Cho'Rush? A lot of people love farming here.

  • Meflor commented 1 month ago Mon, May 5, 2025 12:43 PM
    Turtle Wow Staff

    Mana regen will be reduced with the next update

  • Adhe commented 1 month ago Sat, May 10, 2025 6:03 AM

    is this also applying for SA server?

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Status
Closed
Opened 09:27 02/10/2024 Author: Chaelsonenn
Categories
Replicated Spell
Priority
Realm
Nordanaar
Assigned To
Server Core Team